“You must continue to send the message
from Heaven throughout the world. It will be a lifetime dedication to
all the children of God.”
Our Lady, October 6,
1975
Veronica Lueken speaks
on
"The truth about the So-Called Investigation"
February 13, 1977 Sunday Holy Hour:
Veronica—“For
some time now, I have been receiving, and many others, circulars, copies
of letters that are being given through the bishop, to all of their
parishioners, read from the pulpit, and these circulars, letters are,
they claim are coming directly from the Chancery, the Brooklyn diocese
Chancery.
Now in these letters, in particular, the word ‘spurious’ is being used.
Now, in God's plan, none of us have to openly defend our actions when we
are being directed by Our Lady and Jesus. However, we are coming now
into the home stretch, in my human words, I say the ‘home stretch’,
because the evil has accelerated and many punishments are going to be
given to mankind. It is the Merciful Heart of the Father in His plan, to
bring mankind back to Him.
Now, I believe in the past seven years, only once did I place upon tape
for all to hear, the truth about the so-called investigation, made
allegedly by the Brooklyn diocese. I would like people to know the
truth, as only I can give you the truth, and I feel I have a
responsibility to give you this truth, because I am the one who is being
used as the example before others. On one hand, I am an example being
used by Our Lady and Jesus as a voice-box, and to those who cannot
believe, or will not believe, or are in darkness of spirit, will not
accept the Message from Heaven, and they will use all measures, whether
it be lies, or ostracizing someone, passing on an untruth or fallacy, it
seems that Our Lady is speaking from the wiseness of Her Heart, and
knowledge from God, that for those who believe, no explanation is
necessary, and for those who do not believe the message, there will be
no explanation and they will fight it, and they will use all means.
Now I feel in my heart, when lies are promoted against a person, there
is only one individual who is guiding those who use these lies to try to
destroy another, and that is satan. Now in my heart I can only say, and
I believe, though this is a Sunday Holy Hour and not the vigils of Our
Lady, I am sitting in the area, I only sit, because I'm not well today,
I would prefer to kneel. However, as Our Lady gives me this choice to
sit in order to clarify some subjects that are harming souls because
they're being forced to turn away from Her message and Her warnings.
Now if Our Lady does state that if Her bishop and pastors would spend as
much time as they are trying to stop Her message, if they would spend as
much time and effort, put as much effort into fighting the evils that
are prevalent now in the hearts of man, in reference to the abuse of
drugs, all of the immorality that is flooding our country, the breaking
of the commandments of God, pornography destroying the minds and souls
of the youth, and especially and above all, the lack of faith in the
young, and the turning away from God's Church. All of this has to be
stressed in order to keep Jesus' Church open, and to keep the sheep from
leaving, because when they leave the Eucharist, they turn from God and
they will be lost!
Now in reference to the so-called investigation made from, about the
"alleged" as they say, apparitions, and I do say, not in defense but in
truth, they use the word "alleged", but I say "the truth" being spoken
by God through just an ordinary person and individual, myself, and many
others throughout the world.
There was no formal investigation....
Now, there was no formal investigation in reference to Our Lady's work
in Bayside. For many years, I say many, because Our Lady first started
Her work with me, through me, in 1968 with St. Theresa. During that
time, I approached many priests, trying to find a spiritual director,
but it was not in the will of God, and later of course, I found out
through Jesus that, He said, His very words, were "you will do better by
yourself, My child. I will direct you, you will go further." I
understand now why He said that. Experience has taught me that if I had
been under a spiritual director, Our Lady's message would have been
silenced a long time ago.
However, only Heaven knows the count of souls that we have been able to
gather for Jesus in the time of the persecution. It's a minor
persecution we undergo in comparison to Jesus' trials and His cross.
However, I want you to know the facts about the so-called investigation.
I don't do this to try to cast any slight upon the individuals
concerned, but the facts must be given. Not in defense of myself,
because I do not have to defend myself, or my actions for Our Lady. I am
only in obedience to Jesus and Our Lady.
Now, no investigation from the years 1968 through 19, up to 1975, not
one single individual ever called me, either by telephone, or written by
letter, to come into them and speak personally with them about what was
going on, though we conducted the vigils as requested by Our Lady and
Jesus from 1970 right through, and the Holy Hours, the past
approximately 3-4 years. Now, the so-called, what they may consider in
the Chancery, a "form" of investigation, by they say, "the local
clergy". Well, this "local clergy", I assure you, is only, if I can
believe the words, of Msgr. King to me upon the telephone, when I asked
him, in all of this rumpus, "Please tell me, I think I'm entitled to
know. Who are the people who investigated me?" And he sort of got a
little confused, but he did say, "Well, two Monsignors and a
seminarian."
And I thought to myself, "I understand." Msgr. MacDonald, the pastor of
St. Robert's, Msgr. King, who looked upon a Sunday Holy Hour I believe,
there were alleged reports of his being out of habit in, I believe it
was a leather jacket, observing what was going on at a Sunday Holy Hour,
but not speaking with me, or anyone in the group, he just eyed and made
some type of observation. And the seminarian and I believe, and I have
to admit something that's not quite legal, but in my own direction from
God, I taped that telephone conversation with Msgr. King, and also he
stated that the seminarian read the message, and this is the so-called
"judgment". It appears that the seminarian and I know Msgr. MacDonald, I
have more to say about - he is a good soul, and for all the others
involved are good souls, but misdirected or following in obedience from
the leader. But the seminarian obviously did not like or agree with the
message.
All right, now as time went on, the letters from the Chancery started to
go out. Now a Mr. Greene, in The Brooklyn Tablet, diocesan
newspaper, did quite a write-up against us, in the most obvious place,
the editorial sheet. It took up almost the whole page. In it, we were
accused of being "spurious" because there were very expensive looking
booklets coming out and colored brochures of the, what he called,
"alleged" miraculous photographs. Well, through the grace of God, we
weren't tormented by that too long, because Luis Montinola of the island
of Guam…., the man who solely paid for the printing of that booklet, and
also the colored brochure, got in touch with Msgr. King, and informed
him of his place in paying for these booklets.
You see, in Msgr. King's write letter, it stated "it would lead any
individual to believe that something spurious or something odd is going
on,"says who's paying for these expensive publications? Well, this, Luis
Montenola was a man of means, who believed in the message of Our Lady,
and he did not know me personally, he came from San Damiano, a visit to
San Damiano in Italy, and was brought by a man named Ted Zuba to visit
me and ask if he could print Our Lady's message, and I naturally was
very happy that Our Lady was sending others to help, as I did not have
the means to promote the message the way he could, with his
publications.
Now, when Msgr. King received the truth about these publications, he
made what you call a retraction, to Mr. Greene, to Mr. Greene who
published that big article against us, but sad to say this little
retraction only took up a few lines and was placed in The Tablet
in a place where no one would ever see it. It was way down in the
corner in the middle, I believe, of the paper, somewhere like that, and
nobody would ever see it. So you see, satan wasn't going to let anything
good enter upon this if he could help it.
Now, during this , letters were going back and forth, and I was in the
middle of it, praying to Our Lady and Jesus, to tell me what should I
do? Well, I had to stand my ground and wait, and see what would happen.
Still, no one called me in, until Msgr. Powell came with the Church
Counsel one night, and we received tremendous pictures of, miraculous
pictures, that appear out of nowhere from God, about this entire thing.
. And then during that time, someone shouted over a loud speaker . .
...........Our Lady speaks of and he would understand what I'm talking
about. Well, as we left, he never said a word! about anything ........As
we left, I said to him, "You know Father, we mean well, though perhaps
you don't understand what I'm talking about." Well, he placed his hand
around my shoulder, and I thought, well, maybe God is working here, to
give this soul, this individual the knowledge of what we're doing, and
what God is trying to do here. And we walked outside, but then the next
day, I was almost like, I felt like Jesus probably did, the kiss of
Judas, because the next day the letters were being written against me,
using my name, address, and everything from the pulpit, and put in
The Robertonian, the church news bulletin.
Veronica Visits Msgr. King, Chancellor of the Brooklyn
Diocese
All right, now that went by. And then, as time went by we were going to
be summoned to court, [1] and I felt this was a horror. So I called,
first I called Fr. MacDonald on the telephone, and that's the first time
I really, we ever even spoke to each other about this, and he said I
would have to speak to Msgr. King. Well, I went, instead of speaking, my
husband and I decided to go and see Msgr. King, well, we didn't have an
appointment, but we went on there on a Friday. Well, the day before
though, I got the fright of my life, and I must tell in all honesty,
because perhaps God has His plan that I speak now.
Before we go anywhere, we always ask Our Lady in direction, with
positive proof through a photograph, this would be difficult for most to
understand, but they are true, the photographs. I know many people are
in their anxiety and their desire to receive one of these miraculous
photographs from Heaven, uh, they will see things that are not there.
That could be true, but we have many thousands of obvious photographs
that are not just something you have to imagine into it, they are
definitely so obvious that you would have to be a fool not to recognize
the manifestation.
Well, we took a picture, and I said to Our Lady, "why, What are we going
to say when we're going to see Msgr. King?" And Our Lady said, "Have
pity on them, My child, because you are going to face the red serpent."
And, well, I was a little frightened, but I let it go by, and we went
down. We saw Msgr. King, and he was very nice, he was a very nice man,
and in one way, later on after I talked to him and tried to tell him
what was going on, and I showed him some of the miraculous photographs
but, somewhere I felt in my heart, there was like a glass between us,
that he couldn't look through, and I couldn't go through, and I knew it
was obedience, he had his orders, and he had no other choice, his hands
were tied, I don't, he could listen, but he couldn't even, uh, he could
listen and not listen, if you know what I mean.
Well all right, that passed over and then, uh, they called in the
church, St. Robert's pastor, called for a meeting, but the meeting was
in the church hall. Our Lady said I couldn't go, and then I realized
why. I did want to go, but Our Lady told me not to go and I would find
out way. At that meeting, we have a witness, Mrs. Caroline S. She was
there as witness and others too, and I believe a whole taping was made
of this meeting; it was done secretly but it was made! And right at that
meeting, one of the parishioners of St. Robert's jumped up and said, I
can't quote her exact words, but the words that are important, she
stated, "We can end all this! Two men came to my house and said they
would be willing to shoot Veronica." I guess for a price, is what she
meant, but actually this was getting terrible. My heart froze in a way
when I heard that, not for fear of my life, but to think how evil satan
is, and how evil the people can become! All in reference to people
praying the Rosary on church property! But now they were going to shoot
me, two men were so infuriated, we disturbed their peace.
Don't they realize that God has another plan? Don't they realize that
unless they listen to Our Lady's message, Jesus' message and act upon
it, they won't have their beautifully manicured lawns! They won't have
their homes! They don't want the people to pray there, it's a
disturbance. Are we thorns in their conscience? We were accused, I say
"we", because I feel a great responsibility for what those who follow
did. I understand they tormented the people, I say they tormented their
consciences when they sent their children back to dress properly, in the
presence of Jesus and Our Lady. And I say in all truth, that I have seen
children dressed in a manner so abominable in the eyes of God, walking
on a Sunday afternoon. Certainly the weather was hot, but to expose
their navel, and to bring lust into the hearts of the young men, because
the women and girls no longer have any self-respect or modesty?
So those who don't speak up and try to bring to these children, and even
their errant parents the necessity of bringing knowledge of truth and
decency to their children, by good example and discipline. Someone has
to do it. And God and Our Lady have chosen individuals to do it,
because the parents have become lax, the pastors have become lax! Do the
pastors get up now, Our Lady said, and try to condemn these bad
situations? No! They go along like ducks on water! They hope it flows
away so they don't have to be the ones to have the guts and the backbone
to stand up and say what's wrong! And what do they gain? Are they afraid
of losing the monies in their coffers, as Our Lady says? And what do
they gain? By their own examples they no longer get the respect that
they command, and that they demand. But do they demand it? No! By their
example they are turning to the world and no longer bringing the word of
God to the people.
All right, now in reference, I go back to the police station. Our Lady
told me not to go to the meeting at the police station, because of guns.
There was a miraculous photograph taken, I wouldn't have even got into
the police station, Our Lady said. And they I heard later on that when
the good people from the Shrine vigils arrived, they were treated like
criminals. Everyone of them had a policeman, for some reason or other, I
don't know what kind of an impression the church gave, I say the church,
the peoples of the church, and the, the local, uh, neighbors around the
parishioners gave, that the police met them by standing a guard with a
gun behind every ‘Vigilite’, as they called them, as they sat in the
chair!
Happily, Our Lady told me this and I was not permitted to go. All right,
you must understand, I only listen to Our Lady. I cannot listen to man,
because man seeks to destroy the truth, and if he could, any who is
giving the truth! A person who is giving the truth now is going to be
subject to be scorned and mocked, and be called a fanatic and crazy! But
what do we care, if you are with Our Lady and Jesus. It's only important
that you save souls for Them. It's only important that you save your
family's soul and your own soul! Life is not eternal. Just remember,
every individual that is persecuting the good has to one day stand in
judgment before Jesus.
Persecution during Passion Week 1975
Now, in reference again to these letters going out, uh, I repeat, I did
meet with them, this was only, this was in 1975 though. Nothing, not
even one individual came to me, wrote to me, called me or asked me to
come in and speak with them until April of 1975 when we were planning to
go to court, and I myself took the initiative to contact these people in
an effort to not bring the scandal to the Church because I found it
absolutely ridiculous to have to go in the church and fight with the
church, so to speak, in my own human words, Our Lady can say it much
nicer, but I don't know how else to put it but to have a fight openly in
the church with the newspapers, about what? Praying the Rosary on church
grounds?
And then I asked Msgr. King, "What do you mean that the church is
private property?" I said, "Has the church become a business? We can't
pray there?" And they say we invaded their private property when we went
into the church. All of the trouble and the persecution took place,
ironically, around Passion Week, Jesus' Passion Week. I know now that
Jesus had a plan for letting us go through all that during Passion Week,
because there was even no respect by the clergy for Passion Week. And
it's not just a memory, and they're making even Passion Week a reverie
and sort of, just a memorial when actually, as in the Eucharist, they're
trying to defile the Eucharist too and try to say it's a memorial and a
meal, just like everything else, including the supernatural, cast that
aside as being a myth! If you can cast all that aside then you cast
aside God, and that's what the enemies of the Church, of Jesus' Church,
and the enemies of God are trying to do. And they're succeeded very well
so far! But only because God allows them their time. It's in this
manner that He's going to show up the real followers of God, and those
lukewarm and those shirkers that stand back and expect somebody else to,
to speak for them.
Every man speaks for himself, not another! And no one shall be saved who
follows in blind obedience when, and even, like they try to say that
we're speaking against Pope Paul. Oh, that's another ruse of satan to
try to put out. Why don't they read the message and find the truth! Our
Lady has us not speaking against Pope Paul, but to protect the papacy
and protect Pope Paul! And there is an impostor, an impersonator in
Rome! And he is being used in personal appearances, because this is the
enemy's plan to send out to the world a lot of fallacy and lies! And
they are writing in the newspapers, Our Lady said, exactly what the want
the people to know. And even Pope Paul cries tears, Our Lady says, of
horror and tears of pity and tears of sorrow, because his very own are
crucifying Jesus in His Church! His very own bishops and cardinals are
turning against Him and not even obeying their Pope! So I say this: that
not only is satan attacking the good people, the good sheep, but there
are many goats in Rome, Our Lady says, and it's the clergy themselves
that have fallen down on the job, Our Lady said, and are allowing the
sheep to scatter and to fall!
God Will Judge
Now this doesn't mean that we're pointing our finger and saying, "you're
the one!" We don't have to name names, Our Lady said, because every man
has the truth in his heart. God will judge, the Eternal Father is always
the final Judge. We don't come, we don't spread Our Lady's word to pass
judgment to anyone, because the judgments that I have been allowed to
see are far worse than any words that could be spoken upon earth! You'll
find out soon enough! And all those who speak to try to stop Our Lady's
message from going throughout the world, I can only say to you in my
human way, wait and see! Because time will bear out what Our Lady has
said, as it already has.
Our Lady in April of 1971 said that there would be great floods in this
country, and in 1972 there were! Our Lady told me to write to Bishop
Mugavero and told him that many people are going to die, stop this by
making a firm commitment to clean out your seminaries! And the
earthquake struck the next day, the very day he received my letter. In
Guatemala the earthquake struck. But no! that doesn't help, because
their hearts are hardened and their ears are become deaf, and their
sight, the sight, not the human sight, but the sight that God gives you
from your spirit, your heart, the inborn spirit that every man receives
when he is baptized! I say that much will transpire, as Our Lady said,
and the time will bear out the validity of Her message.
There is one purpose we have, to protect Pope Paul, to uphold the
papacy, and to try to keep patching the cracks that Our Lady said, that
many of Jesus' own are putting in His Church. The gates of hell shall
never prevail against Jesus' Church. Time will bear out all. But, as in
the past, man has not learned his lesson. From history our country, the
United States of America, is now in the same position as in the time of
the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Nineveh, and every other nation
that gave itself over to sin was destroyed. And this time it shall be by
fire.
‘Letters of Obedience to Bishops’
Now, I try to cover everything in relation to the so-called, uh, letters
of obedience going out throughout the country to your bishop. Yes, I do
believe in obedience, but what is obedience? My obedience is to my God.
The papacy, yes I am obedient to Pope Paul because I know that Pope Paul
is a prisoner in his own house! He's a human being, understand, he's a
human being like you and I. He can make errors, but these errors, he
believed from his heart because he may have in the beginning been a
little weak and misled by his own. You see he's a good man, Pope Paul is
a good man. He tries to make everyone happy; he tries to understand his
cardinals and his bishops; he does not want to speak out against them,
Our Lady said, because it's a terrible thing to have to speak out
against your own. But now is the time when he is forced, and he must now
remove by excommunication the enemies of God who are there to destroy
the Church!
And we must pray for Pope Paul, because he knows in his heart, that I am
sure he will accept the sacrifice. He knows that if he becomes too
rough with them, and tough, they'll see that he's put out of the way
too, Our Lady said! You see, in our country and the world, life has no
value anymore. They're slaughtering the babies in abortions; they're
slaughtering the old people; they're slaughtering those who are a burden
to society, seeking to make a utopia for man, seeking to make a
socialistic state of man, where everything is love and brotherhood!
But God's not included! Man is the god now, they say! And God has
another way of combating that! A very harsh way, and even some good must
suffer in the Chastisement. But God is at the helm, though the bark of
Peter is floundering, God has it all under control.
But we as human beings know that unless, I say as human beings because I
speak of us, and I hopefully hope that all have this same feeling, that
we are creations of God, and we follow the plan of God upon earth, and
we're here for only one reason, to make our way back to God's Kingdom. I
say too, that what I say in truth is not to place the finger of guilt
upon anyone, because this is a massive conspiracy.
One individual cannot be blamed. One individual is not responsible for
the bad situation now among the Churches, uh, but I will say this: it
takes every individual to stand up now and be counted. I believe in
my heart it is the laity who will save Jesus' Church from any further
decline. I don't believe you will hear much from the bishops because
they will follow out of fright, or being misled, or fear, mostly fear, I
think, they will follow their leader.
But I say, in my own heart, and I feel this is directly from Jesus,
though this is not a vigil night, I say this: Who do you owe your
allegiance to first, God or man? You cannot love both at the same time
with the same degree, you'll either hate one really, or grow to hate one
and love the other. And I'll tell you now, there is a terrible hatred
of even God in His rules and His way now, within the world! And it's
the Church peoples, the bishops, the cardinals, the laity. Are they
going to follow the rest of the masses to destruction? Are they going
to reject Jesus any longer? I don't know exactly what's going to happen
except that I know that the time is growing short. I know that my time
is growing short, but Our Lady's word is going throughout the world, Her
direction and Jesus'.
MSGR. KING: "SHE'S A GOOD DEVOUT PERSON"
One more thing, I know this is becoming very lengthy, which I didn't
plan, but you see when Jesus has, uses me, He doesn't want a yes or no
at this time, He wants an explanation, it's necessary, to clarify
things. You have to have facts and proof. I repeat, another fact: I'm
not, I have to put myself on an impersonal plane, when I speak now, I'm
not speaking in defense of myself. I have to give you a fact, that when
you use the word "spurious", let us work the way they have been doing in
the papers coming from the diocese of Brooklyn, the bishop's office. Now
on television, Msgr. King, after his meeting with me, it's strange, you
know. Perhaps if someone had called us in sooner before all this
business with the court took place, things would have been different.
But I'm sure that when we went to see Msgr. King, in his heart there was
a little change, I believe. Because you know, no one can really judge an
individual unless they speak with them personally, and see the
personality and the character, and the impression that they receive by
meeting with this person. You can't judge another on hearsay, or what
someone else said, because most times people, their opinions are colored
by their own personal emotions and feelings and ideas.
But, uh, Msgr. King did get on the television later on sometime, Channel
11 News I believe it was, and he did state that he had met with us, and
you know, I'm a little embarrassed to say it, it sounds like pride, but
I'm not saying it pridefully, believe me, he did state that I have met
with Mrs. Lueken, and I find she is a devout woman of good character.
Well bless him, I was very happy. In fact, I think that the first time I
heard the tape, I sat down and had a good cry, I was so, so I don't know
how to put it, I don't want to give myself to consolation in saying that
I was happy but, it was like a relief in one way, because I knew, I knew
in my heart that Msgr. King was only following orders, and everyone's
following orders. Then, so, I laugh because also on the television, we
have all of these tapes I speak of, and we do have tapes of the
telephone conversations too. But he also said that, you know, "as for
Mrs. Lueken, she may be a saint 300 years from now, but right now she's
going to Cunningham Park!"
In other words, he was referring to, see, he had asked us, uh, by
telephone, when we started the court procedure, to go to the park, take
the people to the park, that we should come here just myself down,
receive Our Lady's message and run up to the park with it. Well that was
a little ridiculous, you must understand, that these gatherings of
people were commanded by God the Father, through Our Lady as an emissary
from Heaven, that we gather there. Not to disturb the populace, but to
do penance and atonement at this time, and believe me in the future, one
day you will understand why we were there, how our prayers and the
sacrifices and the example, I know you thought we were crazy wearing the
long dresses.
That was God's plan to try to emphasis the need for modesty. And also to
set yourself as an individual among the blue ladies, the ladies who are
trying to follow Our Lady's direction. That's why we wear the long
dresses, it's like atonement. Not only that, we also wear the long
dresses, Our Lady said, to tell you, because the nuns are no longer
wearing the long habits, and Our Lady does want them, and St. Theresa
does want them to wear their long habits. So we have to try to do
atonement, and make ourselves victims to the merciful Heart of the
Father in atonement for what the others are not doing. Somebody has to
be the sacrifice; somebody has to give of themselves because what
greater love could you have for your brothers, than to sacrifice
yourself for them, even though they don't even understand what you're
doing.
And that refers to Jesus being crucified too. Uh, that's why He said,
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Because they
didn't understand either, why He was, in their human nature, why He
would die for them, because they hadn't received the light in their
hearts to know, the meaning of suffering and sacrifice. And this also
applies to all who are now doing Our Lady's work, they do know, the
meaning of sacrifice, and they do know the meaning of being ostracized,
and what it does. Because believe me, the Eternal Father said to Jesus
and Our Lady to me, and to others, that no evil is ever triumphant. The
Eternal Father said, "I will turn all evil to good."
So you see, you wonder how anyone could stand there, and be called a
fool, and be called a fanatic, or a nut, or any other excuse for their
actions that others who don't believe will use. Well, you can do that
because you know you're doing it for God, and that's all that's
important! You can't care for the opinion of mankind, because you've
given yourself in full commitment to God. You can't offend God by trying
to please some man, who gives you an order to do something that you know
in your heart is hurting Jesus and Our Lady. Because if you love Them,
can you hurt Them? You couldn't! And that's why we stand our ground, and
we're directed by Jesus and Our Lady, knowing in our hearts that God has
a plan for all. And we don't know, until the end exactly how many sheep
have been brought back, but we do know this: we have now on record, I
haven't been very well, physically, the last year or so, so I can't
gather all the material, but I'm sure Jesus has a plan for having
somebody else do it. But we have thousands upon thousands of, of
testimonies of cures and conversions, many people have come back to holy
Church, because of the examples of the good people who have taken up Our
Lady's banner of "Faithful and True"- that's Jesus' banner, He's
"Faithful and True."
God will give you the Insight
But also, know that you must, now, read the Apocalypse of St. John. If
you did, it's not a dry book. If you can't understand it, go to a good
priest, who has studied and is able to give you the meanings of the
symbols and the symbolism. Jesus uses many symbols for reasons. And I'm
sure, and I assure you, as a person of humble means and education, I
myself know that if you pray to the Holy Spirit, God will give you the
insight! He will make you able to understand the writings of St. John if
you really want to. It's like Jesus said, ask and you will be given what
you ask, ask and you shall receive, seek and you will find! But you have
to try, you have to want to, and that's the greatest thing that God
could give to man, the wish to look for the way.
And Jesus says "I am the Way." So all we can say is we're going
Jesus' way, and that's all we want now, in the balance of the times,
that’s left. Will we will succeed in getting the message from Heaven
to all mankind? Can we stop any more of the chastisements in the
floods, and the terrible droughts, and the terrible drug plague upon the
young, and oh, I could go down the list until it's too heartbreaking and
much, much more is going to happen, far worse. And the greatest
chastisement of all will be the Ball of Redemption, and if you don't
believe what Our Lady is saying about the Ball of Redemption, you can
read Joel in the Old Testament! He talks about the burning fire with the
tail! And didn't also the prophet Matthew and all of them speak of the
end days in which fire will destroy the world? So can't anyone among
you, who does not even have a small measure of belief in what Our Lady
is saying, can't you use your own even human reasoning if you won't ask
for God's, God the grace to enlighten you, but your own common sense
will tell you, if you do read the Bible, that we are living in those
days that the Prophets wrote of.
NOVEMBER 1, 1973 VIGIL - The ‘Go’ Photo
I understand that Ted Cach just told me, he was taping, and at the point
where I was speaking of the arrival of Msgr. Powell, during one of the
vigils, when he came with the church council, Msgr. MacDonald, Msgr.
Powell was the vicar of the Vicariate of the Brooklyn Diocese, he came
to read one of the letters from the Chancery, you know. And then I was
called over the loudspeaker,. a voice shouted out, "Veronica Lueken,
come into the church and defend yourself." And like I said, I don't
know if it came on the tape, I got a little frightened, cause they came
with a group of men, they looked sort of like the Gestapo or something,
or like, district attorney men. They were frightening, they didn't look
very warm or kind, you know! And I didn't know what their plan was,
whether they were going to grab me and put me in jail, or what. So I
hesitated, in my own human way, and I asked Our Lady for a sign before
I'm going to do anything! I'm not going to walk into the wolves' den if
I can help it, unless Our Lady wants me to walk there! So I waited for
the sign, and all of a sudden a man from New Jersey, uh, he screamed,
the young fellow, he said, "Look what I've got!" Well, when I
bowed my head, and asked Our Lady for a definite sign, my goodness, he
had a Polaroid picture, and Polaroid you can't fake, because it's made
right directly on the spot, there's no negative, you know, it comes out,
you pull it out of the camera. Well, there written on the, on the
picture was the word "G-O", "GO!" That means "go in", because I'd asked
Our Lady, "Should I go in there or not?" And the word "GO" came out from
the hand of God, right onto the photograph, and then I went in. And I
believe that we were able to get on tape, what transpired, when I went
in to see Msgr. Powell.
But I repeat myself again; that from 1968 to 1975, not one individual,
either in the bishop's office, or St. Robert's church, called me in to
speak with me personally about what was going on.
All of the confusion and all of the bad feelings that may have evolved
among the council, and Father MacDonald and the others, started when the
church, when Mr. William Caulfield, the poor soul, directed by satan, I
have to say the truth, satan used him as an individual, as he will use
others throughout the world, who have some reason, I don't know if the
persons are out of grace for sure, because I see these individuals going
to Holy Communion, yet I know in my heart many individuals are receiving
the Eucharist and defiling It by not being in the true state of grace,
or having the love of Christ in their heart. But I don't know, only God
will judge why these individuals, or how they were used by satan.
But like I said, uh, up until 1975, there was no clamor, or anything
like that, of discord, or being called in by Msgr. MacDonald, or anyone
in St. Robert's church, or the Chancery, or the Bishop, nothing, until
the agents of hell gathered in force upon the grounds in 1975, and
especially after we had gone into the church to say the Rosary, because
the people were meeting us with rakes and shovels and we got the notion
they were going to clobber us on the head out there! They were getting
pretty violent after a while.
So I, I prayed to Our Lady, and I knew in my heart, that if this was
God's church, the only safe place we could go without being clobbered
would be by the tabernacle, and that's why that Sunday afternoon, on
April, I don't remember the exact date, April the 12th, or 13th, we went
in and sat by Jesus, not knowing really, and that's sincerely, I tell
you, we didn't know there was going to be a baptismal rite going on in
the back of the church. And I was praying and being deaf, I understand
Msgr. MacDonald then got up on the altar, was waving his hand, from the
altar, uh, .....he went up to the pulpit, and was waving his hands. And
I didn't know at the time, I had my head bowed, I usually have a habit
of really, when I'm speaking with Jesus, I close my eyes, and I'm kind
of cut off from the world, so, and being deaf I couldn't hear where I
was sitting. But I looked up, and I then, my heart froze, because he
didn't look very happy, and he was waving his hands, and I thought,
"here we are now, not finishing the 15 decades that Our Lady said has to
be said." We come on Sunday to say the 15 decades of the Rosary for the
priesthood and for Pope Paul. We've been doing that for years on Sunday.
And here we were not finished, and all this and then I looked up and I
saw Msgr. MacDonald.
Then finally, uh, Mr. Herz, one of our good workers, came down and told
me what was going on up there. And we did stop, we did stop. We weren't
trying to disrupt any, any service like the, they were having. We just
didn't know they were going to do that. And we were getting to the point
of feeling, "Well now, we didn't get clobbered now here, and here we
can't even say the 15 decades." And we have a commitment to Our Lady to
say 15 decades of the Rosary every Sunday for the clergy and for the
protection of holy Church.
[1]". 1975 Court Case Case: The Bayside Civic Association vs.
Veronica Lueken in the Supreme Court of the State of New York in the
County of Queens NY. Judge K.’s decision on May 22, 1975 was a
reciprocal injunction whereby Veronica was allowed to continue her
religious prayer vigils and was relocated to the Site of the Vatican
Pavilion (old World’s Fair grounds) in Flushing Meadows Park with the
agreement between the Supreme Court, the NYC Police Department and the
Commissioner of the City of NY Department of Parks & Recreation.
[2] ". . . I say unto him that My Son has made it known that you, My
child, are not to have any spiritual director, for you will do better by
yourself." (Our Lady, October 6, 1976)
[3] May 13, 1975, New York Channel 11 News: "She's a good devout person,
I would say nothing about her character at all." (Msgr. King)
